Exactly, libertarians love laws that support their interests.
So, I take it you're against property rights, then? Am I misinterpreting you? Can you be clear on it?
Or are libertarians opposed to trademarks, copyright and patents?
Libertarians are quite mixed on IP protections. Some libertarians, like Ayn Rand and Objectivists, support patents as a recognition of individual creativity and property rights. Others, like Murray Rothbard disagreed with those types of protections. That is where I stand. I see patents as government-enforced privileges that favor large corporations and create barriers to entry. Instead, I'd suggest innovators rely on trade secrets, first-mover advantages, or contracts to protect their work.
Lots of people oppose "mob rule" but libertarians label any government action that doesn't serve their personal interests as "mob rule" and the only "rights" they are interested in protecting are their own power. They think its just fine for "the mob" to give them property rights but an outrage if they place any limits on those rights.
They don’t just slap “mob rule” on anything that doesn’t suit them. They’re against government overreach that stomps on individual freedom, period. It’s not about protecting just their own power; they’re all about everyone having the same shot at life, liberty, and property. The idea that libertarians are cool with “the mob” handing them property rights but cry foul when there’s any limit is a strawman. Property rights come from hard work and fair deals, not some public handout. Libertarians push back on restrictions when they’re random or rigged to favor cronies, not because they hate all rules.
Have you ever thought that just maybe communism became a popular vehicle for leaders who wanted to rule with slaughter and evil?
I have thought that. I believe that's pretty much where I'm coming from. The question is: why does it seem to happen so often? Perhaps it's not merely a vehicle, it's like a cancer that always metastasizes.
It gives them central control of everything
Exactly. Once they get control they refuse to share it with "the proletariat" or anyone else. Ask yourself what to do about it. Should we dreamily wish for rainbows and hugs and Communes winning out or a society where individual rights are protected at the expense of the convenience or security of politicians..
That's like saying you oppose laws against robbing banks but you aren't cheering for bank robbers.
Nice try with the strawman, but libertarians love laws against bank robbery; it's textbook aggression against property rights. We just don't cheer for government 'robbers' who use taxes, eminent domain, or regulations to pick pockets legally. If you think opposing crony bailouts means we support actual thieves, you've got the philosophy backwards.
Of course libertarians don't oppose regulation that protects their interests from others, they oppose regulation that protects others' interests from them.
Wrong again; libertarians oppose coercive regulations that screw anyone, period. We fight licensing cartels that block barbers from working poor neighborhoods or tariffs that jack up prices for everyone. That's not 'protecting my interests'; it's dismantling barriers so others can thrive without Big Brother playing favorites. Your zero-sum worldview is the real cronyism enabler.
They oppose self-government because it empowers other people.
Libertarians don't oppose self-government; we oppose mob rule disguised as democracy that lets 'other people' vote away your rights. Madison warned about this in the Federalist Papers: majorities trampling minorities. We push for real self-governance: voluntary communities, contracts, and tech that lets individuals opt out of the state's 'empowerment' games. Your take sounds like statism's defense of the herd over the individual and it's super weak and super easy to debunk.
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