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Mozilla M3 Release Available Now

Posted by CmdrTaco on Mon Mar 22, 1999 05:06 AM
from the maybe-this-one-won't-crash dept.
Makali writes "Just took a quick peek at the Sunsite FTP mirror of ftp.mozilla.org and Sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk is up and contains tarballs for several platforms. Fetch! " Downloading my copy now, now considering how badly screwed up my machine is right now, the odds of it actually running is about 1 in 12 *grin*.
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  • Monkey business by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:12AM
  • It rocks! by Mathieu Lutfy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:31PM
  • Mirrors? by Eric S. Smith (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:17AM
  • viewer is fast, apprunner isn't by MagPulse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:13AM
  • Compiler by SegFault (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:40PM
  • How to get more disk space: by Isaac-Lew (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @03:28AM
  • ok, what am I doing wrong? by cduffy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:08AM
  • Proxy - Try sockscap/runsocks by gavinhall (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:36AM
  • Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... by gavinhall (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @08:00AM
  • Crashes constantly by gavinhall (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:21AM
  • How to get more disk space: by gavinhall (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:39AM
  • Milestones on the roadmap? by pohl (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:04AM
  • It's an unfinished rewrite. by Ami Ganguli (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:56AM
  • Communicator 4.51 by smartin (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:51AM
  • you're on crack by Danse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:11AM
  • A step forward? by Danse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:15AM
  • Heh, it makes my radio go fritzy. by bkosse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:19PM
  • Apprunner is the dog. by bkosse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:32PM
  • Until, of course, you want to display a page. by bkosse (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:43PM
  • But Microsoft says by bkosse (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @07:40AM
  • netscape 1.0 nostalgia by robin (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @11:51PM
  • That "N" logo by Jerky McNaughty (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:41AM
  • Functionality hidden so far by Matts (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:24AM
  • Proxy by Matts (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:26AM
  • Pictures of what by Matts (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:36AM
  • Huh? by Matts (Score:2) Monday March 22 1999, @06:19AM
  • Impressive by Daniel (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:19AM
  • Mozilla 5.. Win32 version by ChiefArcher (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:32AM
  • Which file? by ChiefArcher (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:00AM
  • Horrific perforamce? WORSE THAN 4.51 by Fnord (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:45AM
  • Seems somewhat effected by ChrisRijk (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:56AM
  • Heh... by marcus (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @08:36AM
  • There was no core by tgd (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @10:46AM
  • A step forward? by tgd (Score:2) Monday March 22 1999, @07:45AM
  • Doctor?? by Prothonotar (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:27AM
  • My kingdom for a libc5 binary! by Sinner (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @10:46AM
  • How to get more disk space: by Sinner (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @02:48PM
  • NT 4 by timw (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:19AM
  • Fast enough... by Dr. Evil (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:42AM
  • netscape 1.0 nostalgia by Phaed42 (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:57AM
  • WOW The Mickey$oft Trolls are out today! by Sleepy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @10:19AM
  • gtk+ themes. no! by Sleepy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @10:44AM
  • AC's, MS lackeys, whatever; filtering to "1" by Sleepy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @03:12PM
  • Mozilla 5.. by kevin lyda (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:01AM
  • ok, what am I doing wrong? by theLime (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:00AM
  • Where is this thing actually at? by Reeses (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:48AM
  • Somebody post a review! by cthonious (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:01AM
  • You can make your own by Leidolf (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:28AM
  • Mozilla 5.. Win32 version by myconid (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:57AM
  • Mozilla 5.. by myconid (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:03PM
  • Corrupt gzip file by doobman (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:33AM
  • Interface by doobman (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @02:48AM
  • MIRROR by sydelko (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @08:00AM
  • whoops, mistake in path :) by sydelko (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @08:04AM
  • netscape 1.0 nostalgia by Firehawk (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:27AM
  • netscape 1.0 nostalgia by Firehawk (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:28AM
  • What's the executable called? by Plasmoid (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:40AM
  • 4.51 = release, Mozilla != 5.0 by deusx (Score:2) Monday March 22 1999, @07:49AM
  • Disappointed by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:04AM
  • That "N" logo by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:06AM
  • Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:06AM
  • 128-bit version by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:11AM
  • Go Go Mozilla by Zontar The Mindless (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:11AM
  • Mozilla 5.. by dosboy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:06AM
  • mirror at MetaLab.unc.edu by pjones (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @02:16PM
  • There was no core by smileyy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:32AM
  • There was no core by smileyy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:52AM
  • you're on crack by smileyy (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @03:24AM
  • you're on crack by smileyy (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @07:34AM
  • Is Mozilla UNMUTUAL? by Athos (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:53AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by Azul (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:14AM
  • you're on crack by HRbnjR (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @02:48PM
  • by HRbnjR (12398) <chris@hubick.com> on Monday March 22 1999, @06:33AM (#1969271) Homepage
    Gecko is the first good web browser the world has ever known.

    HTML was designed from the ground up with several goals in mind, that seem to have been completely forgoten by most people over the years. The whole basis was to separate structure from style enabling a document to be viewed on any system. XML finall takes this concept to it's conclusion in a manageable fashion. HTML was about using structural tags such as H1 rather than hard coded font tags, because a heading will look much different on an 1600x1200 monitor than it will a cell phone.

    So with the growth of the web you get a billion traditional media people designing web pages, that have no concept what the word _dynamic_ means, all writing pages that _must_ be viewed at 800x600, because they only know how to create pages for fixed paper mediums, and because they never bothered to actually learn what HTML was about. How many web designers even know what SGML is let along understand that HTML is an application of it? Admitedly, this only includes about 99.99% of the web designers out there. Traditionally the browser makers have been just as bad. It seems Netscape has finally got a clue. Netscape was the pioneer in adding proprietary style based tags to HTML, if they get Gecko right, which they are, I may actually forgive them, even though thanks in part to them, the whole web is a mess.

    So now, x years later, everyone finally learns HTML and runs across all these problems in browser compatibility and site management, and they start looking for a solution, can you say "What's a style sheet?". They discover that style sheets were supposed to be part of the web since day one, and that in fact they are much cooler than all the proprietary hacks they have been clamoring for from the browser makers. The sad thing being, even those web designers that knew about the One True Way from the beginning have not been able to do anything about it due to lack of browser support.

    Enter Gecko, the first web browser to actually give a web designers the ability to design a page the way it was meant to be. Gecko is not about small. Gecko is not about fast. Gecko is about HTML, CSS, XML, and DOM. Gecko is actually including a real parser (Expat) for the first time. We should have been able to use SGML features for years now, if browser makers had actually done it right and included SGML parsers. Gecko is including real DOM support, so now we can write JavaScript that may actually work in more than one place, and not only that, but that does a hell of a lot more for creating dynamic content. Gecko includes XML support, the most important document format since ASCII, finally giving the world a standard for creating documents with actual structure, and a way for bringing those to the masses. Gecko includes full CSS1 and a good chunk of CSS2, so my documents can actually look clean for a change, and be 1/5 the size at the same time.

    People who make comments how all the web pages don't load any faster, and how IE has better bookmarks or something like that, these people have obviously never tried any serious HTML work, browser programming, or managing a _large_ site. Gecko is not for the users, they will look at it and ask what it gives them over version 4. Gecko is for the designers, who will bow down at it's feet screaming FINALLY, and will now be able to die (mostly) happy. And for that, Gecko is the best piece of software to hit the web, _ever_.
  • Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... by mattc (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:00AM
  • Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... by mattc (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:35AM
  • Logon failed by Crakor (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:10AM
  • Logon failed by redwraith (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:08AM
  • Not to be a KDE cheerleader, but... by dirty (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:18AM
  • Functionality hidden so far by raistlinne (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:38AM
  • Pictures of what by raistlinne (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:29AM
  • netscape 1.0 nostalgia by Jon_S (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:20AM
  • core dump test...;) by LeBleu (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:25AM
  • There was no core by Morden (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:23PM
  • Somebody post a review! by Fizgig (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:20AM
  • NT 4 by sharkey (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:50AM
  • core file... by dedalus (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:24AM
  • Mozilla 5.. by Serk (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:48AM
  • What's the executable called? by Serk (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:52AM
  • Logon failed by CodeShark (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:50AM
  • Mozilla lacks functionality (?) by CodeShark (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @06:04AM
  • Gobbles memory by ChrisWong (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @08:01AM
  • AC's, MS lackeys, whatever by logycke (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:52AM
  • I HATE VERSIONED DYNAMICALLY LINKED LIBRARIES by Mr. Piccolo (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @07:54PM
  • you're on crack by mudshark (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:46PM
  • you're on crack by mudshark (Score:1) Tuesday March 23 1999, @05:36AM
  • Speed troubles by Asim (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:41AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by Asim (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:46AM
  • Corrupt gzip file by cy (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:22AM
  • Opera by Mr. White (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:24AM
  • Looks Nice by dave_cross (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:41AM
  • Interface by NewTux (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:57AM
  • Doctor?? by Megaweapon (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:13AM
  • Widgets by simeon_pimpmaster (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:17AM
  • Mirrors? by simeon_pimpmaster (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:20AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by JEP (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:22AM
  • Mozilla by Chad Pommiss (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:21AM
  • Corrupt gzip file by goff (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:24AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by goff (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:58AM
  • Impressive by PaulJS (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:21AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by PaulJS (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:25AM
  • Doctor?? by PaulJS (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @04:59AM
  • Linux tarball fixed? by PaulJS (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:05AM
  • Disappointed by PaulJS (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:10AM
  • Milestones on the roadmap? by prandal (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @05:15AM
  • screenshots by four (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @09:56AM
  • screenshots by four (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @11:04AM
  • Until, of course, you want to display a page. by enigmatic (Score:1) Monday March 22 1999, @12:53PM
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